This is a CLASSIC case of someone not playing their hand, but their opponent. Phil practically told everybody he was sitting on AK with his comment of "I think he has Ace Queen". Dragomir called knowing he could still get away from the hand if an ace or king hit the flop. (since he KNEW what Phil had) Yes, it was a bonus to Dragomir that a 10 hit on the flop, but Phil threw up the white flag by checking the flop. If he thought the guy had AQ, he should have bet post flop, instead of a check.
@ lovell82169, tbh ...( 5 days ago by fitzy431)
@ lovell82169, tbh i think you're giving dragomir to much credit, as they said he'd played 10-4 3 times already but i guess we'll never know his thought process
lol, go fuck ...( 4 days ago by ItsMeDaveMan)
lol, go fuck yourself
Lucky hand?????? ...( 4 days ago by KoSeBreNervira)
Lucky hand?????? Let me be specific....if 10-4 suited is his lucky hand he should be banned from the game for life. I've seen plenty idiots at the table before, i've been one myself...but this Dragomir though is very special. In a class of his own.
Dragomir wouldnt ...( 4 days ago by KoSeBreNervira)
Dragomir wouldnt know the difference between his and Phil's hand if the cards were dealt face up. Phil wouldda checked if a King hit the flop just to give Drago enough rope to hang himself. K-10-2 lets say. Dragomir raises weather a 10 hits or not cuz he's an idiot. Idiots play retarded post-flop as well as pre-flop. They dont get magically smarter post-flop. If you BELIEVE Drago knew he had Phil beat when the flop hit.....YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!!!
If you are sitting ...( 4 days ago by Disney312)
If you are sitting on 104 suited..and you put your opponent on AK and call anyway...then you are truly an idiot! Phil reraised him because he had AK and he figured that his opponent was sitting on some sort of drawing hand too, like AQ. He checked on the flop because he was out of position and did not connect with the board. He saved himself some money by doing that because Dragomir would have simply raised his bet on the flop and Phil would've had to fold anyway. Phil played this one right.
People will fall in ...( 4 days ago by lovell82169)
People will fall in love with a certain hand if they have gotten good fortune from it. 10-2 offsuit is Doyle Brunson's lucky hand (a worse starting hand than 10-4 suited) You saying Brunson should be banned?
Phil did one thing ...( 4 days ago by lovell82169)
Phil did one thing wrong. In this case, he talked too much. If he reraises without talking like he did, Dragomir might have folded. Dragomir's call of the reraise had its intended effect; making Phil think he was beaten preflop. (aces or kings) Again, Phil's mistake was talking too much. Everybody at the table could have told you Phil's hand before he flipped it over.
All this being said ...( 4 days ago by lovell82169)
All this being said, to Phil's credit, he searched out Dragomir the next day before play began and sincerely apologized for his actions in this hand. (This was the last hand of the session) Dont' think I'm dogging Phil out here; just giving credit to Dragomir for using his position to get the best of Hellmuth this one time.
If Brunson raised ...( 4 days ago by Disney312)
If Brunson raised and called a reraise the way Dragomir did with 102 offsuit, then he wouldn't be the poker legend that he is today.
I perfectly ...( 3 days ago by KoSeBreNervira)
I perfectly understand what you're sayin. To be superstitious with certain hands is fine. Calling a reraise like that based on "superstition" is completely idiotic. Donkey stuff.
And i'm really not ...( 3 days ago by KoSeBreNervira)
And i'm really not a Hellmuth fan. As i've said he bitches way too much. But he couldnt've put it better. Love it when he stands up at 2:40.
At the end of the ...( 3 days ago by tapapa21)
At the end of the day Dragomir said it perfect, it cost him 10k to play and Phil nothing so what if he calls with that hand its his chips and he paid for them, if he loses them thats his problem,there is a whole world of players like Dragomir so pros and players should adapt to this type of play, its just the way it is. Sick of people saying that this is the way you should play or should not of called that raise, you show me the rule where a player cant call with any two cards....
i don't like the ...( 3 days ago by cypresshill22)
i don't like the crowd celebrating this hand because the call was completly idiotic. poor phil but he should learn to not be on tilt that fast.
@tapapa21, Agreed!!!( 3 days ago by ScottX6945)
@tapapa21, Agreed!!!
i agree with phil ...( 2 days ago by beninjamin)
i agree with phil he could not make the call with 10/4. but i love the way phil got owned :D
phil is my hero( 2 days ago by truegwbfan)
phil is my hero
Jesus, nobody wants ...( 2 days ago by squabman)
Jesus, nobody wants to "Gamble" any more. Bunch of fucking pussies.
I like how Poker ...( 2 days ago by squabman)
I like how Poker has turned into "fold, fold, fold, wait for Aces or Kings and bet, fold fold fold" Sounds like you got outplayed.
I don't like ...( 1 day ago by HeartCrashes10)
I don't like Helmuth, i think he played idiotic, Not Dragomir, sometimes you know when you need to play your hands....
"Yeah but he has ...( 1 day ago by Disney312)
"Yeah but he has like 3 million, and he wants to pump you up, because he likes you". What did Mike mean by that?
I've seen plenty idiots at the table before, i've been one myself...but this Dragomir though is very special. In a class of his own.
Phil wouldda checked if a King hit the flop just to give Drago enough rope to hang himself. K-10-2 lets say. Dragomir raises weather a 10 hits or not cuz he's an idiot. Idiots play retarded post-flop as well as pre-flop. They dont get magically smarter post-flop.
If you BELIEVE Drago knew he had Phil beat when the flop hit.....YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!!!
10-2 offsuit is Doyle Brunson's lucky hand (a worse starting hand than 10-4 suited) You saying Brunson should be banned?
Sounds like you got outplayed.
he is right at everything